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Tackling Issues on the Edges of Geospatial: The New York State Geospatial Summit
By Adena Schutzberg , Directions Magazine
June 14, 2007

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This was year two for the New York State Geospatial Summit and organizers presented another thought provoking, eye-opening event. Speakers highlighted topics around the edges of what "heads down" GIS professionals do, and from the feedback I heard, that was a most welcome change and a breath of fresh air.

To be fair, the air in Skaneateles (pronounced "skinny-atlas"), New York was quite fresh already. The town name means "long lake" and it is located in the Finger Lakes region of the state. The event attendees had free rein over the rustic, two-level, water-adjacent Welch-Allyn Lodge. Welch-Allyn makes medical equipment next door and makes the space available to the community.

The pre-event on Thursday evening featured Dr. Richard Luli of The Climate Project, Al Gore's team of folks spreading the word on his "Inconvenient Truth" story. Luli talked through some 160 slides that captivated even those who had read the book or seen the movie. This group of well-educated, attentive people was stunned silent when this "regular guy" (his PhD is not in climate studies) offered up the evidence for global warming. I came away thinking this is one of those talks you need to hear regularly, like the ones about metadata and eating right.

I want to share some thoughts on the "further from GIS" talks that were presented during the plenary session on Friday.

Derrick Crandall is president and CEO of the American Recreation Coalition, a non-profit group that wants to get people outdoors. As such the group does research, keeps an eye on legislation, and tries to get out the message of encouraging "fun outdoors." Crandall shared a challenge that hits close to home with technologists: getting kids to recreate outside of the 6.5 hours a typical sixth-grader spends in front of a screen (TV, computer, iPod…). The research is fascinating. Kids, it turns out, are well aware of why they congregate in fast food places - there are triggers (like signs on the highway) that lure them there and allow them to network with others. If there were similar triggers for outdoor activities, perhaps they'd make those choices. Crandall explained how groups pushing the outdoors need to use the triggers that get to young people: text messaging, MySpace and the like. He also noted that at one time technology was seen as the enemy of outdoor activity. Now, he said, the goal is to make it a "friend." In fact, a study done with young people involving a treasure hunt was rated much higher when it involved GPS than when it did not.

Erin Aigner, a graphics editor for the New York Times, considers herself a cartographer. She showed many examples of her work for the Times and recounted many of the same challenges in creating maps for the paper and website that we face: getting data, getting things done on a deadline and the disappointment when a final product is not used. She did offer praise for the Web: it means not just maps, but full color maps, are available even if they are not in the paper.

Ok, now back to GIS. Michael Jones, CTO of Google Earth, wrapped up the event, as he did last year. Jones does a remarkable job of weaving together commentary on the state of geo in the world and Google's plans and place therein. He observed that what we geogeeks think is interesting about geospatial technologies is quite different from what the general public considers interesting. Angelina Jolie recently tattooed her arm with the locations of the birth places of her four children. She felt that was important. Perhaps equally interesting, an online publication in Europe, I believe, actually posted Google Maps of those locations! That may seem silly and unimportant to us, but clearly it's not to Jolie. Jones cited other examples of individuals worldwide modeling structures of importance to them in SketchUp and posting them to the 3D Warehouse for use in Google Earth. Again, those places, those buildings and monuments are important to them.

Jones was kind enough to provide a sneak preview of something no one outside of Google had seen: books in Google Earth. Recall that Google has scanned in text of many out-of-copyright books (and others) and performed character recognition to create searchable text. Now, the company has taken it one step further and posted locations found in some of those texts (the demo showed only publicly available ones if I recall correctly) to Google Earth. When you click on a placemark you jump to the book's page and to the exact page on which the location information was found. You also find a Google Map of all the places mentioned in the book.

Back on Google Earth, there's a timeline slider so that you can see books "pop up" as you move through time. And, if many books cite the same location (Chicago, say), Google Earth cleverly arranges a subset in an orderly circle around the city to avoid clutter. I have to say I felt a bit vindicated because my presentation earlier in the day highlighted the coming importance of time in online mapping solutions, as well as the Google Experimental (part of Google Labs) "Map View" technology for locating results of Google searches on a map.

Perhaps even more interesting to me than Jones' formal presentation was the question period. Don Cooke addressed a previous speaker’s excitement over Second Life, asking if Google was heading into that sort of space. No, Jones explained, "we are trying to build the first life." Another questioner referred to the recurring news stories about Google "censoring" imagery. Jones replied that Google has not done this. (That's something the company continues to say but which, alas, prompts all sorts of news stories.) He did note that after some requests the company did "roll back" some imagery of Iraq; somehow that seems to fall into a different category.

Jones did note that other portals address the "censorship" issue differently. In the Netherlands, they don't block out areas of concern, but rather take trees from other areas and use them to fill the areas of concern. France's GeoPortail simply plops a white blob over such areas.

Another question had to do with licensing, in particular, the difference between using Google Earth for personal and professional reasons. Jones made it clear that the license "was not about where you install the software, but how you use it." For example, if the boss asks you to create a map for a presentation, that'd be professional. If you were at work but looking for a car dealership at which to buy a new car for the family, that'd be personal use.

Jones also addressed, perhaps for my benefit, the brouhaha over the number of Google Earth users he cited at Where 2.0 and in his presentation at the Summit. He had offered up 200,000,000 and noted that number was larger than the populations of some counties, including Brazil. Now, some folks writing on the matter got all up in knots about how that measure of downloads could not be correct because with a new version of the software coming out regularly, most of us have downloaded Google Earth multiple times. Jones explained to the group at Skaneateles that, in fact, the download mechanism codes by IP address, so if you download several times from the same IP address, it still counts as one download. And, of course, not everyone downloads the software; some get it on a CD from a friend or by other means.

I again applaud conference organizers for an event that made all those in attendance think differently not only about the technology that brings us together, but about what we do with it out in the world.

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Watch my hand as I explain downloads (#1)
by jim sweeny, green leaf productions
   
Date: June 14, 2007 15:30 PM
I've seen Michael's talk on the subject of Google Earth downloads, and while it makes for great press (every blogger and news outlet uses it consistently), it's extremely misleading. Like Second Life, most Google Earth users I know download the application to check it out, and when it doesn't do anything meaningful for them beyond curiosity, home finding, science or education, they simply delete it. Since most users on the internet today do not have static IP addresses, they will count as a completely new download 3 months later when the new version comes out. Now, at least Second Life is honest about the actual number of users who have used the system in the last 30/60/90 days (http://news.com.com/Counting+the+real+Second+Life+population/2100-1043_3-6146943.html). That would be a more relevant statistic to cite for actual adoption. How about it Adena - think you could dig this up?

Clarity and precision (#2)
by Michael Jones, Google, Inc.
   
Date: June 14, 2007 19:27 PM
Hi Jim,

When we (Google) say "downloads" we mean "downloads from Google." Admittedly, that overlooks post-download installer sharing, independently-hosted download sites (which we discourage), school-system Windows Management Console deployments and the like, so interpreting our download number as an exact count would be misleading as it considerably undercounts the truth.

When we say "installations" we mean "first installation on the client computer" AND "first installation from client computer's IP address." This doubly cautious count, of which there have been more then 200M to date, is the number I cite most often. Cases that fail either clause of the AND are termed "upgrades" and counted separately.

When we cite numbers we say "more than" and do that based on a policy of systematic conservatism. When we say "more than," the scale of our "more" easily accounts for those few cases where people install, remove, wipe their registry settings, and then install again from a different IP address. Very easily as matter of fact.

When you assert that my statements are extremely misleading, I respectfully suggest that you've not asked enough questions to support your accusation. Hopefully the information above informs your reservations and eases your mind.

Best regards,
Michael


RE: Clarity and precision (#3)
by jim sweeny, green leaf productions
   
Date: June 14, 2007 21:47 PM
Michael - thanks for the detailed response.

However, I still don't believe it answers the fundamental question of how many active users there are. In recent press and blog accounts, there have been statements to the effect that there are more Google Earth "users" than there are residents of certain countries. I know you have not made these statments, as you have actually refuted them along with the erroneously attributed XP SP2 downloads claim.

My contention is simply the delineation of "downloads" versus "active users" which would be a better indication of the total number of people a person can reach by developing for the Google Earth application.

I'd personally also like to learn this from the NASA World Wind community as well as Microsoft's Virtual Earth, but nobody seems to share actual usage data for people to guide their customers on the best way to reach their targeted audience. I guess downloads at least give SOME indication of users, but I think you'd agree they !=.

Do you actually track active users that hit your servers every day? Why not share that number instead?

Thanks again for the response and candor.


Active users (#4)
by Michael Jones, Google
   
Date: June 15, 2007 15:28 PM
You are not alone in being curious about the number of active users across various time scales--per second, minute, hour, day, week, and month. Our competitors are constantly after this as are those who seek our rate of growth to guess at corporate financial performance. Since neither of these activities benefits our users or investors, and might (somehow) be construed to offer guidance contrary to various laws, we protect activity data as company confidential.

It would please me to answer your question officially from our minutely-measured data, but I cannot do so. However, you can do an easy experiment. Ask your taxi driver, or the people next to you in a queue, if they use Google Maps or Google Earth. I do this anonymously when I travel. The answers, be they in Hyderabad, Tokyo, or upstate New York--taken over time--tell the story you seek.


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